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Stainless
07-11-2009, 01:29 PM
WAUSAU, Wis. – An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it — an Iraq war veteran — claims the officers trespassed and stole his property.

A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man's protest — over a liquor license — continued.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin is considering legal action against the village of Crivitz for violating Vito Congine Jr.'s' First Amendment rights, Executive Director Chris Ahmuty said.

"It is not often that you see something this blatant," Ahmuty said.

In mid-June, Congine, 46, began flying the flag upside down — an accepted way to signal distress — outside the restaurant he wants to open in Crivitz, a village of about 1,000 people some 65 miles north of Green Bay.

He said his distress is likely bankruptcy because the village board refused to grant him a liquor license after he spent nearly $200,000 to buy and remodel a downtown building for an Italian supper club.

Congine's upside-down-flag represents distress to him; to others in town, it represents disrespect of the flag.

Hours before a Fourth of July parade, four police officers went to Congine's property and removed the flag under the advice of Marinette County District Attorney Allen Brey.

Neighbor Steven Klein watched in disbelief.

"I said, 'What are you doing?' Klein said. "They said, 'It is none of your business.'"

The next day, police returned the flag.

Brey declined comment Friday.

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said it was not illegal to fly the flag upside down but people were upset and it was the Fourth of July.

"It is illegal to cause a disruption," he said.

The parade went on without any problems, Kanikula said.

Village President John Deschane, 60, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam, said many people in town believe it's disrespectful to fly the flag upside down.

"If he wants to protest, let him protest but find a different way to do it," Deschane said.

Congine, a Marine veteran who served in Iraq in 2004, said he intends to keep flying the flag upside down.

"It is pretty bad when I go and fight a tyrannical government somewhere else," Congine said, "and then I come home to find it right here at my front door."


I do not care why he is flying it upside down and think his problem about the liquor license is his problem but its his right to fly the flag that way. He even fought for that right. That is the type of rights we all fought for.

GSPKurt
07-11-2009, 01:52 PM
I agree. As long as he doesn't throw it on the ground, burn it or otherwise disrespect it, which, being a veteran, I don't think he will.

Stainless
07-11-2009, 01:56 PM
What he did was not disrespectful, its even an accepted practice as notification of distress. I know people that fly theirs upside down because of "O".

GSPKurt
07-11-2009, 01:57 PM
I agree.

marsmet47
07-11-2009, 02:13 PM
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saturday july 11, 2009


img code from fox news....July 5, 2009: American flag being flown upside down, a day after it was removed by local police, in Crivitz, Wis.



http://www.foxnews.com/images/544619/0_61_071009_flag.jpg


Hours before a Fourth of July parade, four police officers went to Congine's property and removed the flag under the advice of Marinette County District Attorney Allen Brey.

Neighbor Steven Klein watched in disbelief.

"I said, 'What are you doing?' Klein said. "They said, 'It is none of your business."'

The next day, police returned the flag.

Brey declined comment Friday.

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said it was not illegal to fly the flag upside down but people were upset and it was the Fourth of July.


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Sky6Actual
07-12-2009, 08:05 AM
The flying of the U.S. flag upside down is an internationally recognized signal of distress.

Certainly, this qualifies and the deputies were at best, mis-guided, at worst, flat out wrong and should be subject to lawsuit, as all this guy did was exercise his First Amendment rights, the ones the Libs scream about so much. The ACLU and others of their ilk should be all over this, but i doubt that they will blink an eye....unfortunately.

sig232
07-12-2009, 09:53 AM
The flying of the U.S. flag upside down is an internationally recognized signal of distress.

Certainly, this qualifies and the deputies were at best, misguided, at worst, flat out wrong and should be subject to lawsuit, as all this guy did was exercise his First Amendment rights, the ones the Libs scream about so much. The ACLU and others of their ilk should be all over this, but i doubt that they will blink an eye....unfortunately.

The ACLU has a very liberal (socialist) agenda. The pretty much take a contrarian view to anything logical or traditional.

mozoishere
07-12-2009, 10:04 AM
If you look closely at the picture of the flag, you will notice that they even "broke his ball". :shock:

dano1200r
07-12-2009, 10:23 AM
Another viewpoint: As a retired first responder, if I see a distress signal, my first instinct is to investigate what may be a problem; i.e. Maybe he or a loved one was being held against their will and he raised the flag to draw attention for help. This is almost akin to calling 911 and hanging up.
I remember back in the '80's when those car sunshades came out, on one side they had printed "SEND HELP" or "CALL POLICE". People were putting them on there windshields outside in and passers-by were calling 911.
This seems more like a zoning issue than anything else, but I'd like to see all the facts.

AirForceShooter
07-12-2009, 11:50 AM
The reason the First Amendment exists is not to protect speech you agree with.
It's to protect the speech you HATE. That included burning the flag.

Guess the LEO's learned that.

Stainless
07-12-2009, 01:20 PM
The reason the First Amendment exists is not to protect speech you agree with.
It's to protect the speech you HATE. That included burning the flag.

Guess the LEO's learned that.

Exactly. And here is my theory on flag burning.

If you wish to burn the flag, do so, just remember the men who fought and died to give you the freedom and the right to do so, and flag that is a symbol of that freedom. How ironic, they burn the symbol of the freedom that they claim as they burn it in protest of the government system that protects that freedom. :shock:

Sky6Actual
07-13-2009, 10:29 AM
The reason the First Amendment exists is not to protect speech you agree with.
It's to protect the speech you HATE. That included burning the flag.

Guess the LEO's learned that.

Exactly. And here is my theory on flag burning.

If you wish to burn the flag, do so, just remember the men who fought and died to give you the freedom and the right to do so, and flag that is a symbol of that freedom. How ironic, they burn the symbol of the freedom that they claim as they burn it in protest of the government system that protects that freedom. :shock:


Certainly yo may burn the flag, provided that when it is lit, it is wrapped tightly around you. Gasoline helps get it started, too...

GSPKurt
07-13-2009, 08:37 PM
Certainly you may burn the flag, provided that when it is lit, it is wrapped tightly around you. Gasoline helps get it started, too...

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!

kermit315
07-13-2009, 10:44 PM
What BS. I bet he threatens to sue, and all of a sudden his liquor license is fast tracked.